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Post by StarKirby5 on Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:43 pm

Post any specific tiers that you think they shouldn't be in. Ex: Blissey shouldn't be in UU because yada yada yada.

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Re: Tiers.

Post by someoneinsane on Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:52 pm

Latios shouldnt be UBER because Latias is ou and latios is just a attacking version of latias
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Re: Tiers.

Post by StarKirby5 on Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:27 pm

Well, Latios does overpower Latias in some ways, you know. Like in its HP.

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Post by Latios on Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:47 pm

No, Latios and Latias have the same HP spreads...

They have the same total base stats too... maybe it's because Latios's special sweeping and good typing make him overpowered?

I never understood why smogon operates the way they do. Tiers based on popularity? Really? What if a ton of trolls come in and use tons of bidoofs? Bidoof for uber?

Meh, I agree that Latios is probably OU, I always have really.

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Post by StarKirby5 on Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:50 pm

You have an excellent point. I guees they don't have the say HP spreads, but when you see other Pokemon(girls) they have lower HP than the boys. I don't understand why all the girl Pokemon should be UU, since nobody USUALLY ever uses them, they're kinda useless, but I know why you need 'em. For eggs and other things, you wouldn't have Egg Moves if it weren't for girl Pokemon, but you get my point.

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Post by masterzman on Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:53 pm

StarKirby5 wrote:You have an excellent point. I guees they don't have the say HP spreads, but when you see other Pokemon(girls) they have lower HP than the boys. I don't understand why all the girl Pokemon should be UU, since nobody USUALLY ever uses them, they're kinda useless, but I know why you need 'em. For eggs and other things, you wouldn't have Egg Moves if it weren't for girl Pokemon, but you get my point.
No offense, but what ARE you talking about?
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Post by StarKirby5 on Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:11 am

I said I was talking about the girl Pokemon being out of the game.

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Post by Shockvalue on Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:28 am

The gender of pokemon don't matter... The overall stat bases are the same.
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Post by StarKirby5 on Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:29 am

No they aren't. Boys always have more HP than the girls.

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Post by Shockvalue on Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:31 am

StarKirby5 wrote:Post any specific tiers that you think they shouldn't be in. Ex: Blissey shouldn't be in UU because yada yada yada.
Blissey is OU.

No they don't you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about as usual. Obviously you have no idea what affects stats because gender has nothing to do with it.
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Post by StarKirby5 on Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:49 am

It was an example....... plus, gender always matters. SOMETIMES girls will have less powerful stats then the boys, otherwise, it's the same.

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Post by masterzman on Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:53 am

Gender doesn't matter in pokemon...

I think latios should stay uber because it is so powerful yet bulky.
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Post by Latios on Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:25 am

Lol, I haven't tested the metagame in a long time, so maybe he is.

And no, gender plays no role in stats... it's only relevant in breeding, kirby...


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Post by mjfblaze on Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:15 am

Has anyone introduced StarKirby into IVs? Razz Look, Gender does not matter unless you want to breed, use Attract and Captivate, or you want to use a specific gender in a team or something. It does not effect stats, moves, or whatever you think.

They may have put Latias in OU because Lugia is slightly better than Latias. Even though it has Refresh and Recover, Lugia has better Special Defense, Defense, HP and has the same Speed. It's underpowered compared to Lugia. But Latios is also, in my opinion, underpowered compared to Pokemon like Mewtwo, Darkrai, Deoxys, etc. I'm not trying to say that they should be in OU, but that you won't be seeing them as often in an Uber fight.
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Post by StarKirby5 on Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:17 pm

Excellent point. But I guess I can eliminate my "Gender" theory. Anyway, why is Blissey in UU?

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Post by mjfblaze on Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:59 pm

Blissey isn't in UU. It's in OU. I also noticed that Latias doesn't have that many good moves.
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Post by Shockvalue on Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:07 pm

It's in OU because it is one of the best, if not the best, special wall in the metagame. With softboiled it can restore its health when low making it even more useful. Not to mention, with seismic toss every pokemon is gonna take 100 damage from it at least, depending on how many times you use it.

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Post by StarKirby5 on Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:13 pm

Hmm, I see. So does it matter in Wi-Fi?

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Post by Shockvalue on Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:18 pm

Does what matter in wifi?

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Post by masterzman on Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:39 pm

Yes. If you are playing in the uu tier, you obviously couldn't have any ou or ubers on your team.
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Post by Ghost42 on Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:04 am

It depends on what clauses and type of battle are being played.

If it is in a tournament it depends purely on the tournament rules/ clauses.

If it is just two people battling it depends on the agreed upon clauses before hand.

If someone plays an Uber Pokemon in an OU game or a Pokemon Bl or higher in a UU game then the opponent will likely disconnect as soon as they see the illegal Pokemon.

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Post by Jpg on Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:54 pm

im sorry but can some1 tell me wat uu,ou,nu etc. means
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Post by StarKirby5 on Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:00 pm

Hmm, here goes. UU= Under used. It's the tier that no one mostly ever uses. OU= Over used. It's the tier that you will see most on Wi-Fi, etc. NU= Never used I think. It's the tier that you will never see on Wi-Fi, etc.

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Post by sarge51 on Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:28 pm

I think Smogon said something like Latias can stay OU, but only as long as it doesn't have a Soul Dew in the OU metagame. THAT, I think, is what would make Latias slightly more overpowered than some of the pokemon in the Uber metagame, however the same applies to Latios. (I don't know if any of you are factoring Soul Dew into this.)
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Post by Ghost42 on Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:17 pm

Latios has the same speed and special attack as Gengar's however has better resistances, a LOT more bulk, excellent STAB attacks and IMO an even better move pool (Surf, Dragon Pulse, Draco Meteor, Luster Purge, Dragon Dance, Calm Mind, Recover, etc).

Gengar is one of the most dangerous Pokemon in OU yet Latios almost completely out classes it (par Explosion, Focus Blast and an immunity to Fighting and Normal).

STAB Draco Meteor coming off a base 130 S.attack and a Choice Specs will hurt anything par a Blissey with special defence focus (31.23% - 36.69%with a + S.Defence nature, max IVs and EVs in HP and S.Defence. A Blissey with max IVs, no HP EVs and a neutral nature will lose 45.01% - 53.00% of its HP) and Blissy can switch in on a Dragon Dance Latios which can just set up for a sweep.

Latias is a borderline Uber Pokemon however I believe Latios will be far too powerful in OU even without Soul Dew.

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